[kuritsa18]

I take it personally because your are attacking what people say because you think differntly and go so far as to say it is cruel, mean or abusive.

I was never suggesting for the person to use a choke collar so there was no need to make comments about it being abusive or misstreatment of a dog. I have seen many people use them and they are not abusive at all if used in the propper manner. I have used one for training my dog in certain situations and there has been no problems and it has actually been a very useful tool along with possitive re-enforcement. This has worked for me so I don't see the problem passing it along to other people in the right case. A collar can be used in a possitive re-enforecment training method; it is just another tool people can use to assit in the training process.

The techniques you talk about of ignoring and only rewarding possitive beahviour I have used and they have worked but for some things they did not work and it was only after taking my dog to a trainer and using a different appraoch did things change for the better.

Everyone has had somehting that has worked really well for them and things that have not worked at all so it is better not make judgments so fast and say that that way is mean and this way is the best.